3,000 views

Rob’s video of tribal gillnetters on Mille Lacs has 3,000 views, making it our most-watched. I expected it to get a lot of views, but not so many so fast. I checked out some of the comments on the fishing sites where it’s being discussed. Some of it was surprising, some not. Lots of ridiculous emotional outbursts, an occasional voice of reason. 

The most surprising thing is the level of surprise. Where have people been for 10 years? I was out on Cedar Creek landing in 1998 and saw the whole operation. Anyone can walk right up and look around, as Rob did the other day. It’s no secret.
People were shocked to see egg-laden females taken, but I don’t see the difference between taking a female in the spring and taking one in the fall. Either way, you’re removing one fish with all its reproductive potential. 
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8 thoughts on “3,000 views

  1. “People were shocked to see egg-laden females taken, but I don’t see the difference between taking a female in the spring and taking one in the fall. Either way, you’re removing one fish with all its reproductive potential.”The majority of the female walleyes in the lake are 24-28 inches. These are the fish that we need to maintain the lake and its abundance of walleye. That is exactly why “we” have a slot to protect these fish.

  2. “People were shocked to see egg-laden females taken, but I don’t see the difference between taking a female in the spring and taking one in the fall. Either way, you’re removing one fish with all its reproductive potential.”The majority of the female walleyes in the lake are 24-28 inches. These are the fish that we need to maintain the lake and its abundance of walleye. That is exactly why “we” have a slot to protect these fish.

  3. Thanks for the comment, friend. “We” meaning the state of MN, have a slot to protect the 24-28 inch fish, but some are still killed via hooking mortality, illegal taking, etc. “They” (GLIFWC, the tribes) say 80 percent of the fish they take in their nets are males, so the egg-laden females are partly protected by the nature of gillnetting, size of nets, etc. Still, it doesn’t look good, especially because of our long-standing and deeply held ethic of protection of fish during spawning. We should keep in mind, though, that our ethics and management methods are not the only legitimate ethics and management methods, which was the main point of my we/they column.

  4. Thanks for the comment, friend. “We” meaning the state of MN, have a slot to protect the 24-28 inch fish, but some are still killed via hooking mortality, illegal taking, etc. “They” (GLIFWC, the tribes) say 80 percent of the fish they take in their nets are males, so the egg-laden females are partly protected by the nature of gillnetting, size of nets, etc. Still, it doesn’t look good, especially because of our long-standing and deeply held ethic of protection of fish during spawning. We should keep in mind, though, that our ethics and management methods are not the only legitimate ethics and management methods, which was the main point of my we/they column.

  5. “They” (GLIFWC, the tribes) say 80 percent of the fish they take in their nets are males,There we go again, The messenger taking the word of the GLIFWC as gospel. I’ve witnessed the netting not to mention that I have seen the pictures and the videos. And to say that gill nets are protecting the females? Brent, c’mon. You are a smart guy, you have to be your the editor of the Messenger. And yes, you are right. There is hooking mortality and poaching but there is also gill net mortality. The fish that do get out don’t always survive.We could go back and forth on this all day but the point is…..In the year 2008 why can we not all be treated as equals. Why can we not all respect the resource and protect it. These people that come from WI do not care what happens here. Things wil change.

  6. “They” (GLIFWC, the tribes) say 80 percent of the fish they take in their nets are males,There we go again, The messenger taking the word of the GLIFWC as gospel. I’ve witnessed the netting not to mention that I have seen the pictures and the videos. And to say that gill nets are protecting the females? Brent, c’mon. You are a smart guy, you have to be your the editor of the Messenger. And yes, you are right. There is hooking mortality and poaching but there is also gill net mortality. The fish that do get out don’t always survive.We could go back and forth on this all day but the point is…..In the year 2008 why can we not all be treated as equals. Why can we not all respect the resource and protect it. These people that come from WI do not care what happens here. Things wil change.

  7. I didn’t say 80 percent are males; I said GLIFWC says 80 percent are males. Just because I quote someone doesn’t mean I “take their word as gospel.” I don’t think their claim should be dismissed out of hand, since I too have witnessed gillnetting and also the surveys that are done at the landings, but I also don’t take it as gospel, just like I don’t take everything our DNR says as gospel, or everything the angling community says as gospel. I’m skeptical about everything and everyone. I’m a journalist.The point I was making is that “we” claim we’re protecting the lake with our slot limits, and “they” claim they’re protecting the lake with their quotas and methods. Which do I believe? I believe both sides are doing what they think is right and legal, and both have had some success, as evidenced by the number of fish caught last year and in other recent years. Both sides will also have to take some of the blame for the low numbers this year, if they turn out to be accurate.Why in 2008 aren’t we all treated equally? Because of this pesky treaty our government signed. Sorry, but our government has not yet decided it’s a good idea to flush yet another treaty down the toilet. Things won’t change until our government decides to break those treaties (or the president signs an executive order, or the Supreme Court revisits the case), and that won’t necessarily be a day we can all be proud of. So we might as well live with it.Second, as I keep saying, starting to treat everybody equally now benefits one group and one group only: the white majority. Why? Because white men still control most of the wealth and power in this country (have a look at the US Senate and the boards of the major corporations). Here’s another analogy: Big White gets a 10 length head start in the Kentucky Derby. Halfway through the race, when Big White has a 10-length lead, Big White’s owners say, “Okay, let’s all play by the same rules. Starting now.” To quote my column from a few weeks ago: Easy for us to say.Some apparently think this reflects some kind of “bias” toward the Indians. To me, it’s simply sensitivity to cultural and historical and legal issues that is severely lacking.I’m biased in favor of facts and the law and biased against turning a blind eye to historical, economic, cultural and legal realities.Many of us are still living under the assumption that everything we do is right and normal and good for the lake, while everything “they” do is wrong and abnormal and bad for the lake. Why are catch rates so high on Mille Lacs in recent years? Is it because there are more fish or less bait fish, or might it have something to do with the fact that the average Mille Lacs angler drives around spotting fish on a fish locator using a GPS and a walleye whiffer using secrets he learned on fishing shows that were once known only to a select few?I don’t know the answer, but I do know that unbiased journalism means you have to question everything, not just what’s convenient or puts us in a good light.Nobody talks about the negatives of angling, but everyone is convinced that gillnetting is killing the lake. Why don’t we talk about it? Maybe because there’s a multi-million dollar industry out there trying to sell us all manner of gadgets and gizmos that will make us better fishermen. Maybe our DNR is afraid of pissing off the fishing industry so they turn a blind eye to the effects of it, focusing on other explanations for population ups and downs.Since global warming is a hoax, maybe gillnetting is what killed the tullibees. Too bad we can’t blame the Indians for that.

  8. I didn’t say 80 percent are males; I said GLIFWC says 80 percent are males. Just because I quote someone doesn’t mean I “take their word as gospel.” I don’t think their claim should be dismissed out of hand, since I too have witnessed gillnetting and also the surveys that are done at the landings, but I also don’t take it as gospel, just like I don’t take everything our DNR says as gospel, or everything the angling community says as gospel. I’m skeptical about everything and everyone. I’m a journalist.The point I was making is that “we” claim we’re protecting the lake with our slot limits, and “they” claim they’re protecting the lake with their quotas and methods. Which do I believe? I believe both sides are doing what they think is right and legal, and both have had some success, as evidenced by the number of fish caught last year and in other recent years. Both sides will also have to take some of the blame for the low numbers this year, if they turn out to be accurate.Why in 2008 aren’t we all treated equally? Because of this pesky treaty our government signed. Sorry, but our government has not yet decided it’s a good idea to flush yet another treaty down the toilet. Things won’t change until our government decides to break those treaties (or the president signs an executive order, or the Supreme Court revisits the case), and that won’t necessarily be a day we can all be proud of. So we might as well live with it.Second, as I keep saying, starting to treat everybody equally now benefits one group and one group only: the white majority. Why? Because white men still control most of the wealth and power in this country (have a look at the US Senate and the boards of the major corporations). Here’s another analogy: Big White gets a 10 length head start in the Kentucky Derby. Halfway through the race, when Big White has a 10-length lead, Big White’s owners say, “Okay, let’s all play by the same rules. Starting now.” To quote my column from a few weeks ago: Easy for us to say.Some apparently think this reflects some kind of “bias” toward the Indians. To me, it’s simply sensitivity to cultural and historical and legal issues that is severely lacking.I’m biased in favor of facts and the law and biased against turning a blind eye to historical, economic, cultural and legal realities.Many of us are still living under the assumption that everything we do is right and normal and good for the lake, while everything “they” do is wrong and abnormal and bad for the lake. Why are catch rates so high on Mille Lacs in recent years? Is it because there are more fish or less bait fish, or might it have something to do with the fact that the average Mille Lacs angler drives around spotting fish on a fish locator using a GPS and a walleye whiffer using secrets he learned on fishing shows that were once known only to a select few?I don’t know the answer, but I do know that unbiased journalism means you have to question everything, not just what’s convenient or puts us in a good light.Nobody talks about the negatives of angling, but everyone is convinced that gillnetting is killing the lake. Why don’t we talk about it? Maybe because there’s a multi-million dollar industry out there trying to sell us all manner of gadgets and gizmos that will make us better fishermen. Maybe our DNR is afraid of pissing off the fishing industry so they turn a blind eye to the effects of it, focusing on other explanations for population ups and downs.Since global warming is a hoax, maybe gillnetting is what killed the tullibees. Too bad we can’t blame the Indians for that.

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